By Ivan Fernando
“If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!”
Hard to believe that anyone would, in 2013, make such a vindictive, violent, racist statement, but, just like the k.k.k., these people do appear to be rather proud of themselves. To get what type of hatred this is, change the word 'white male' with a whole host of other words & see what the message really is.
So let's break this down.
“If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live.
Well, Ignatiev, starts of with a generic garden variety racist opinion. It is hateful and presumptive. It is also inclusive of babies, the elderly, the disabled and everyone inbetween.
You are a cancer, you’re a disease,
Unsubstantiated opinion laced with hate.
white males have never contributed anything positive to the world!
Racists often simplify & exaggerate. This man is a white Jew and wants us to believe that no white male Jews have contributed anything positive to this world. EVER.
They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites!
So when white Harvard professor's start advocating such blatant racism, this is not about racism.
It is about an attempt at social engineering. An attempt to plant the seeds of tomorrow's violence, which, will need to be controlled by other powerful and privileged people.
It is a Hegelian Dialectic created by people who presume to play 'God' with people's lives.
At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do?
How is a child borne from a white man/black woman any different than one made by the nominated white woman/black man pairing? Inconvenient truth for the racist Harvard professor.
Do you think that it is an accident that the orator of such hate and vitriol is both a white man and a Jew?
This diatribe is reminiscent of the Nazi War Machine racist rhetoric from the 1930's, as well as, the eugenics movement which potentially used the holocaust as an opportunity to road test their eugenics agenda against the people.
This looks like an attempt to bring a racial eugenics plan back to the table.
The aim is of course, is the possibility to prosecute the ever present 'Jewish hatred' card that has been programmed into people, and, will come out with more reasonable people who don't realise that someone is playing their emotions like a piano.
Then you also grant the right wing corporate media the opportunity to jump onto their soap boxes and decry racism against white people. (as if they care)
Notice that the reference's have changed from the plural to the singular in an attempt to personalise and control?
He’s good for nothing.
Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame!
Here the real deviousness & cruelty comes to the fore. The white man that in the last sentence was "good for nothing" is in this sentence are now capable of so much avarice.
Of course, RICH, POWERFUL WHITE MEN have perpetrated all of the terrible acts described, but how a Jewish 6 year old boy from Balaclava or Williamsburg is responsible for the holocaust or ongoing military occupation of the island with the political island of Australia is demonstrably false.
Facts are not on the table. Truth is not on the table. If it was, then Ignatiev would be naming and shaming guilty white men such as the Nazis, Most Western Governments from England, to Australia to Canada to the U.S., The Vatican, the Rockefellers, Rothschild's, Gates, etc etc.
The fact that white men have also been harmed by these terrorist criminals isn't mentioned, but, why should the truth get in the way of a good old fashion dose of barbaric racism.
You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!”
So now we have a white male stating that to be a white man is a privilege. This would be news to the homeless, poor and working class white men across the globe.
Professor Noel Ignatiev, a tenured professor at Massachusetts College –That college is the ultra privileged Harvard with @ least 40% white undergraduate student body– loudly proclaimed to his class last Monday, his final teaching day before retirement.
The good Professor’s sound and reasonable words resonate with every enlightened and progressive mind.
So you have this Catholic web page advertising racism, elitism, racism and other hatred.
This is the same Catholic church that assisted the holocaust to take place and helped particular nazi's to flee the country.
Does the catholic author of this article think that the white Pope should kill himself?
After all, he calls Ignatiev's words "sound and reasonable"
They are indisputable –not true to anyone who isn't as bigoted as the author and Ignatiev–and no one can debate them. You couldn't have a debate with these two, they are as bigoted and obnoxious as Bill O'Reilly, Piers Morgan or any of those right wing corporate media shock jocks. In fact, it would not surprise if these two are involved in the right wing corporate media schtick. These folk are too busy telling you what to do to engage with you in a mutually respectful conversation that seeks a mutually meaningful resolution.
They should not be controversial in the slightest,
Notice that the author is repeating opinions in an attempt @ programming. Racism isn't a controversial topic, nor is a teacher telling a significant portion of his students to go and kill themselves. .... Hmmm ....
yet remarkably a few far-right extremists object to Prof. Ignatiev’s advice.
Oddly enough, i see the author as a right wing fundamentalst, not to mention that evil catholic vatican that he believes in.
i get the feeling that "a few few far-right extremists" will be far from the only group that has a problem with Ignatiev's violent, racist diatribe to a group of people who are considered America's brightest academically.
Most important programming word used by the author is "few". It is a part of the authors/webpages diminishment of people who disagree.
The Professor however, reported receiving “a standing ovation” from his “largely white and middle class students.”
When it suits the white masculine opinion is wheeled out as if it's important. Aren't these white students "good for nothing"?
Prof. Ignatiev’s critics say that openly calling for students, even if they are white males, to kill themselves was inappropriate and perhaps excessive.
i say that it is inapropriate for a teacher to advise any student to kill themselves. Interesting that Ignatiev wants you to kill yourself, but, he isn't too keen on practising what he preaches.
Certainly not when he was of a mating age. Wonder if he has children?
In this article, we will look at the other side of the issue.
No. It is the continuation of a press release dressed as an article.
Fortunately, I was able to arrange a telephone interview with the professor.
Racists of a feather.....
I felt he deserved a chance to tell his side of the story.
His quote seemed to take care of that rather effectively, so this Catholic webpage is looking at further promotion for eugenics, social engineering, the webpage & the professor.
A side that our radical and racist far-right media refuse to report. The transcript of our dialogue follows below:
This is written despite significant support from the ultra-conservative catholic webpage, 'the diversity chronicle'.
Ivan Fernando: I want to thank you for agreeing to this interview. It’s a pleasure to be able to talk to an esteemed academic of your calibre and impressive credentials.
Prof. Ignatiev: Thank you. I am happy to talk with you today.
–What if Ivan is a self-hating whitefella?
Ivan Fernando: I understand that a few people objected to your advice to your white male students on your last day of teaching.
Why do you think that is?
Prof. Ignatiev: I chalk it all up to white supremacist attitudes.
–Notice how Ignatiev's interview is the oposite end of the article to his violent & racist quote?
The goal of destroying the white race is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it.
The goal of destroying the BLACK race is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it.
The goal of destroying WOMEN is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it.
The goal of destroying JEWS is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it.
The goal of destroying HOMOSEXUALS is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it.
Yes. It is easy to see how many people see Ignatiev as a white supremicist, trying to fool non-whites into thinking he is on their side whilst he actively seeks to start a race war which his mates @ Harvard and Yale etc will need to crush.
Those who object to my advice, knowingly or perhaps unknowingly, are themselves white supremacists.
Even the black ones? This guy is nothing but a rock thrower. We have his number now. It is the usual tactic of those without a factual basis to their opinions to try to stifle the ensuing conversation. That trait is a dangerous sign of fascism/communism. If your opinion has merit, it follows that it will stand up to scrutiny.
They wish to go on oppressing and exploiting other races and maintaining their own privileged positions of power.
That is the conscious and sometimes subconscious motivation of all of my critics.
Apparently if you disagree with this bloke, it is YOUR fault.
That is why they object to destroying the cancer of humanity known as the white race.
The over-simplification of complexities is stock in trade for people with agendas.
That ugly disease, which dares to call itself a people and a culture.
Ivan Fernando: All whites, or just white males should commit suicide?
Prof. Ignatiev: Obviously, all whites need to be destroyed, but why not start with white males?
They are behind most of history’s greatest atrocities.
Besides, some of the brothers like to bang white women.
Apart from the racism, violence, & eugenics, this vile man comes across as a ratings chaser. There is no depth or sophistication to his philosophy, hence the repetition & headline grabbing comments.
Eventually white women can breed out, but my feeling is that if you are a white male, you should kill yourself now.
If you are a thoughtful person, with a social consciousness who considers himself white, you will consider suicide. It’s the right thing to do.
Now, suicide is for thoughtful people.
Let me read you an e-mail that I received today from a xenophobic white-supremacist.
“I’m not a racist, in fact I am an avowed anti-racist, I just think calling for all white males to kill themselves is extreme. When you say that every white person is bad or advocate violence against them, it sounds almost as though you are becoming a kind of racist yourself. You say it is good for everyone to be proud of their culture. Blacks, Mexicans and everyone else. Why should whites be the only exception? For the sake of argument, supposing whites have wronged many other races historically. Should we punish people today for their ancestor’s sins? Today minorities have affirmative action and generous social welfare programs to protect them. Can we really say that most whites are racist now or that the government is? Should Blacks who descend from Blacks who owned or sold slaves feel guilty and be punished for ancestral wrongs?”
Lets break this comment down given that it is from a white supremicist.
“I’m not a racist, in fact I am an avowed anti-racist,
A lot of racists begin with this statement.
I just think calling for all white males to kill themselves is extreme.
An opinion that is neither unreasonable nor extremist.
When you say that every white person is bad or advocate violence against them, it sounds almost as though you are becoming a kind of racist yourself.
An opinion that is neither unreasonable nor extremist.
You say it is good for everyone to be proud of their culture. Blacks, Mexicans and everyone else.
An opinion that is neither unreasonable nor extremist.
Why should whites be the only exception?
An opinion that is neither unreasonable nor extremist.
For the sake of argument, supposing whites have wronged many other races historically.
An opinion that is ignorant, but, nevertheless inclusive enough to entertain the notion. A notion that is true. And "wronged" is to underestimate the situation for there was mass theft, genocide, poison, kidnapping, social programming etc.
Should we punish people today for their ancestor’s sins?
No. Of course not to reasonable people.
Today minorities have affirmative action and generous social welfare programs to protect them.
An opinion that is borne out of programming and ignorance.
Can we really say that most whites are racist now or that the government is?
Generalised definitions about race usually help no one but the bigot. Conversations on this topic are fine if they are mutually respectful.
Should Blacks who descend from Blacks who owned or sold slaves feel guilty and be punished for ancestral wrongs?”
i am not certain that black slaves were owned by other blacks and i suspect that legislation prevented this. The answer to questions like this is tolerance and education.
Ivan Fernando: Wow. (laughter) –Ivan prefers laughter
Prof. Ignatiev: I know, mind boggling. –Ignatiev chooses derision
What an absurd and irrational line of reasoning.
Notice that it is a general rather than specific comment. Ignatiev has no interest in proving his contentions.
They just throw logic out the window entirely.
Now Ignatiev is dehumanising the letter writer. 'He' has become 'they'. It is easier to promulgate violence onto someone after you have dehumanised them.
It’s impossible to dialogue with these people.
Laughter, derision, generalisations, vulgarity, violence & racism makes it hard for Ignatiev to dialogue with many people.
Notice the blind and irrational hatred behind every word!
No, but, i am noticing Ignatiev's propensity to lie. This bloke and his bigotry could easily be on Faux Fox Fascist News. Every word? No specific words or examples to hold his argument onto. Just common abuse, rudeness and vulgarity.
No one has committed violence, genocide and dispossession on the level of white males.
Well. Some white males. The privileged ones. From skull & bones, and oxford, and Harvard. The ones who pay Ignatiev's wages, who is a white man himself that is still breathing with alarming consistency for his theory.
Is this bloke trying to provoke a race war?
The whole purpose of white male culture is to perpetuate their privileged status and continue their oppression of non-whites.
Whites don’t have a culture like other races in which traditions and customs are preserved as an expression of a common identity.
White culture is an entirely economic and social culture which is about shutting out other people deemed “non-white” as a means of preventing their social and economic advancement!
In other words all of ‘white culture’ so-called, stems from hatred of the other, unlike other ethnicities which do have cultures.
White people are a disease, they are parasites! They don’t deserve to live!
Ivan Fernando: Yes, Absolutely, could you give us some examples though for our readers, regarding the racist nature of white culture.
Prof. Ignatiev: Columbus Day, whites literally celebrate the genocide of non-whites, delighting in it. Thanksgiving Day. Whites honour the Pilgrims who gave Native Americans blankets deliberately infected with small pox to kill their babies. Yeah, it is about being thankful, thankful that whites butchered most Native Americans so they could steal their land and establish a racist society based on white male privilege! Christmas is also racist. Should I go on?
This racist Ignatiev is trivialising serious examples of genocide to suit his own agenda.
Examples: "Columbus Day, whites literally celebrate the genocide of non-whites, delighting in it." i have no idea when Columbus Day is on, although i am aware that it is a racist celebration. Pretty certain that logic could be applied to many white people in England, Israel, N.Z, Germany, France, Sweden etc etc. Ditto Thanksgiving day. Notice that all the provided examples relate to America???
Ivan Fernando: Please do. Wonder how Ivan & his Pope deals with criticism of christmas day.
Prof. Ignatiev: The idea of celebrating the birth of a middle eastern Semite, yet portraying him as a Nordic white person in visual art is not only racist, but obscene and Anti-Semitic!
Notwithstanding the possibility that Christianity is possibly a creation of the Flavian era Roman Empire, these comments are designed to arouse religious people into controversy.
Of course there is Santa Claus as well. Who is he? A bearded old white man! He lives at the North Pole, it doesn’t get whiter than that! Who works for Santa? Of course elves, diminutive, perhaps slightly brown people, with pointed ears who have been enslaved by a privileged white male.
No. No proof. Just smears. Smears designed to provoke you into arguing at which point you become wrong and, a white supremicist to boot.
Presuming that you allow others to define who you are.
Christmas and white culture disgust me.
A little earlier, Ignatiev was claiming that white people have no culture. Now they have one, albeit a disgusting one. Wonder what all the African & African-American christians are making of this religious bigotry they are reading here?
I hate this time of year so much. I hate going outside and seeing Christmas trees or Christmas lights. They should be banned! A Christmas tree is just one notch above a burning cross in my opinion!
Ignatiev comes across as a hateful man, so i am not surprised at how he hates this, that and the dogs breakfast.
Ivan Fernando: What do you suggest that people do for the holidays. Especially, minority families who may feel pressured to celebrate Christmas, or other European racist holidays? Is there an alternative?
Where does this pressure come from? The Christmas police? And why do we have a situation that may well be about two religious white men discussing what minority families should do @ christmas?
Just a thought that works for the billion or so hindus. Celebrate your own culture and be tolerant of other cultures.
Prof Ignatiev: A great Black Professor –he remembers that he is great and black, but doesn't remember his name–in the 60′s came up with Kwanza, a way to celebrate African heritage. –why not use the traditional cultural cebrations of each African country? Hopefully a Mexican-American –CaMeriCo programming? equivalent will soon be developed as another Christmas alternative.
Ivan Fernando: I am sorry, but we are starting to run low on time. Let me ask you, have you suffered any attacks personally, or received any threats for your advice to your students during your final class?
Prof. Ignatiev: (laughter) No. I haven’t. In fact all the responses I have received, except for a few e-mails have been positive. I feel vindicated. Perhaps we are finally coming to an awareness in this country that the cancer known as the white race must be obliterated. Especially in the form of white males. Obama is president, and I think there is an excellent chance that we will never have a white male president again. I think we are witnessing the breaking of the back of the white male power structure. –i tend to think that this man is as dangerous to black culture and identity as anyone that has preceded him. He comes across all nice, but so did the English etc. He is happy to lie and stimulate your emotions to compensate for his lack of info– We will still have residual white males that must be dealt with, but I am confident that we’ve won.
Eventually, I would like to put white males in concentration camps and work them to death just like they’ve done to everyone else. When they are all dead we can throw a party and dance around their corpses!
WOW. For those of you who missed it. This guy is advocating that white Jews get sent to ANOTHER concentration camp.
Ivan Fernando: I certainly hope so. I hope you are right.
The bloke that Ivan calls the son of God, Jesus Christ, might not agree with a new holocaust on white people, and might ask Ivan to forgive his enemies and trespassers.
If so it is the dawning of a new era of peace and progress.
Peace and progress if you do as you are told & murder on call.
I apologize Professor, but we are out of time now. Thank you again, and it was a pleasure speaking with you.
Prof Ignatiev: The pleasure was mine. Thank you Ivan. I love Diversity Chronicle by the way, I recommended it to all my students. Keep up the good work!
Ivan Fernando: You are very kind Prof. Ignatiev. Thank you again and Good night.
Prof. Ignatiev: Good Night.
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