JERUSALEM – During the Senate hearing on
Benghazi yesterday, outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
claimed she did not know whether the U.S. special mission
attacked on Sept. 11 was involved in gun-running.
The remarks were perhaps the most important and telling of the
entire hearing since they address a possible motive behind the
jihadist attacks.
Yet Clinton’s answers were largely unreported by U.S. news
media.
The exchange on the subject took place with Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.
Paul asked Clinton: “Is the U. S. involved with any
procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying, selling,
anyhow transferring weapons to Turkey out of Libya?
“To Turkey?” Clinton asked. “I will have to take
that question for the record. Nobody has ever raised that with
me.”
Continued Paul: “It’s been in news reports that ships
have been leaving from Libya and that may have weapons, and what
I’d like to know is the annex that was close by, were they
involved with procuring, buying, selling, obtaining weapons, and
were any of these weapons being transferred to other countries,
any countries, Turkey included?”
Clinton replied, “Well, senator, you’ll have to direct
that question to the agency that ran the annex. I will see what
information is available.”
“You’re saying you don’t know?” asked Paul.
“I do not know,” Clinton said. “I don’t have
any information on that.”
That section of the exchange with Paul was almost entirely
ignored by media, which instead focused on the Republican
senator’s earlier statement that if he were president he
would have relieved Clinton of her post.
WND has filed numerous reports quoting Middle East security
officials who describe the mission in Benghazi as a meeting place
to coordinate aid for the rebel-led insurgencies in the Middle
East.
In September, WND also broke the story that the slain U.S.
ambassador, Christopher Stevens, played a central role in
recruiting jihadists to fight Bashar al-Assad’s regime in
Syria, according to Egyptian security officials.
In November, Middle Eastern security sources further described
both the U.S. mission and nearby CIA annex in Benghazi as the
main intelligence and planning center for U.S. aid to the rebels
that was being coordinated with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Many rebel fighters are openly members of terrorist
organizations, including al-Qaida.
Among the tasks performed inside the building was collaborating
with countries, most notably Turkey, on the recruitment of
fighters – including jihadists – to target Assad’s
regime, the security officials said.
According to the 39-page report released last month by
independent investigators probing the attacks at the diplomatic
facility, the U.S. mission in Benghazi was set up without the
knowledge of the new Libyan government, as WND reported.
“Another key driver behind the weak security platform in
Benghazi was the decision to treat Benghazi as a temporary,
residential facility, not officially notified to the host
government, even though it was also a full-time office
facility,” the report states. “This resulted in the
Special Mission compound being excepted from office facility
standards and accountability under the Secure Embassy
Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999 (SECCA) and the
Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB).”
The report, based on a probe led by former U.S. diplomat Thomas
Pickering, calls the facility a “Special U.S. Mission.”
During the Libyan revolution against Moammar Gadhafi’s
regime, the U.S. admitted to directly arming the rebel groups.
At the time, rebel leader Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi acknowledged in
an interview that a significant number of the Libyan rebels were
al-Qaida fighters, many of whom had fought U.S. troops in Iraq
and Afghanistan.
He insisted his fighters “are patriots and good Muslims, not
terrorists,” but he added that the “members of al-Qaida
are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader.”
Media cover up?
From the beginning, U.S. media reports on the events in Benghazi
have been misleading.
The vast majority of media coverage worldwide refers to the U.S.
facility that was attacked as a “consulate,” even
though the government itself has been careful to call it a
“mission.”
A consulate typically refers to the building that houses a
consul, who is the official representative of the government of
one state in the territory of another. The U.S. consul in Libya,
Jenny Cordell, works out of the embassy in Tripoli.
Consulates at times function as junior embassies, providing
services related to visas, passports and citizen information.
On Aug. 26, about two weeks before his was killed, Ambassador
Stevens attended a ceremony marking the opening of consular
services at the Tripoli embassy.
The main role of a consulate is to foster trade with the host and
care for its own citizens who are traveling or living in the host
nation.
Diplomatic missions, on the other hand, maintain a more
generalized role. A diplomatic mission is simply a group of
people from one state or an international inter-governmental
organization present in another state to represent matters of the
sending state or organization in the receiving state.
However, according to the State Department investigation, the
building was a “U.S. Special Mission” set up without
the knowledge of the Libyan government.
Withholding, misleading
Two days before the November presidential election, CBS posted
additional portions of a Sept. 12 “60 Minutes”
interview in which Obama made statements that contradicted his
earlier claims about the attack.
In the released portions of the interview, Obama would not say
whether he thought the attack was terrorism. Yet he would later
emphasize at a presidential debate that in the Rose Garden on the
day of the attack, he had declared it an act of terror.
Reuters was also implicated by WND for possibly false reporting.
In the immediate aftermath of the attack, Reuters quoted a
purported civilian protester by his first name who described a
supposedly popular demonstration against an anti-Muhammad film
outside the U.S. building.
Immediately following the attack, President Obama and other White
House officials claimed anti-American sentiment fueled by the
obscure anti-Muhammad video on YouTube sparked civilian protests
outside the U.S. mission that devolved into a jihadist onslaught.
However, vivid accounts provided by the State Department and
intelligence officials later made clear no such popular
demonstration took place. Instead, video footage from Benghazi
reportedly shows an organized group of armed men attacking the
compound, officials said.
With research by Joshua Klein
TRANSCRIPT:
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's testimony on Benghazi
Published January 23, 2013
FoxNews.com
WASHINGTON – TRANSCRIPT: The following is
testimony as prepared for delivery by Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, members of the
Committee, thank you for this opportunity.
The terrorist attacks in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 that
claimed the lives of four brave Americans -- Chris Stevens, Sean
Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty -- are part of a broader
strategic challenge to the United States and our partners in
North Africa. Today, I want to offer some context for this
challenge and share what we’ve learned, how we are
protecting our people, and where we can work together to honor
our fallen colleagues and continue to champion America’s
interests and values.
Any clear-eyed examination of this matter must begin with this
sobering fact: Since 1988, there have been 19 Accountability
Review Boards investigating attacks on American diplomats and
their facilities. Benghazi joins a long list of tragedies, for
our Department and for other agencies: hostages taken in Tehran
in 1979, our embassy and Marine barracks bombed in Beirut in
1983, Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996, our embassies in
East Africa in 1998, consulate staff murdered in Jeddah in 2004,
the Khost attack in 2009, and too many others.
Of course, the list of attacks foiled, crises averted, and lives
saved is even longer. We should never forget that our security
professionals get it right 99 percent of the time, against
difficult odds all over the world. That’s why, like my
predecessors, I trust them with my life.
Let’s also remember that administrations of both parties, in
partnership with Congress, have made concerted and good faith
efforts to learn from the tragedies that have occurred, to
implement recommendations from the Review Boards, to seek
necessary resources, and to better protect our people from
constantly evolving threats. That’s what the men and women
who serve our country deserve. And it’s what we are doing
again now, with your help. As Secretary, I have had no higher
priority, and no greater responsibility.
As I have said many times since September 11, I take
responsibility. Nobody is more committed to getting this right. I
am determined to leave the State Department and our country
safer, stronger, and more secure.
Taking responsibility meant moving quickly in those first
uncertain hours and days to respond to the immediate crisis and
further protect our people and posts in high-threat areas across
the region and the world. It meant launching an independent
investigation to determine exactly what happened in Benghazi and
to recommend steps for improvement. And it meant intensifying our
efforts to combat terrorism and support emerging democracies in
North Africa and beyond.
Let me share some of the lessons we have learned, the steps we
have taken, and the work we continue to do.
First, let’s start on the night of September 11 itself and
those difficult early days. I directed our response from the
State Department and stayed in close contact with officials from
across our government and the Libyan government. So I saw
first-hand what Ambassador Thomas Pickering and former Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen called
“timely” and “exceptional” coordination. No
delays in decision-making. No denials of support from Washington
or from the military. And I want to echo the Review Board’s
praise for the valor and courage of our people on the ground
– especially the security professionals in Benghazi and
Tripoli. The Board said our response saved American lives in real
time – and it did.
The very next morning, I told the American people that
“heavily armed militants assaulted our compound” and
vowed to bring them to justice. And I stood with President Obama
as he spoke of “an act of terror.”
You may recall that in that same period, we also saw violent
attacks on our embassies in Cairo, Sanaa, Tunis, and Khartoum, as
well as large protests outside many other posts where thousands
of our diplomats serve.
So I immediately ordered a review of our security posture around
the world, with particular scrutiny for high-threat posts. We
asked the Department of Defense to join Interagency Security
Assessment Teams and to dispatch hundreds of additional Marine
Security Guards. I named the first Deputy Assistant Secretary of
State for High Threat Posts, so Missions in dangerous places get
the attention they need. And we reached out to Congress to help
address physical vulnerabilities, including risks from fire, and
to hire additional Diplomatic Security personnel.
Second, even as we took these steps, I also appointed the
Accountability Review Board led by Ambassador Pickering and
Admiral Mullen so that we could more fully understand what went
wrong and how to fix it.
I have accepted every one of their recommendations -- and I asked
the Deputy Secretary for Management and Resources to lead a task
force to ensure that all 29 of them are implemented quickly and
completely… as well as to pursue additional steps above and
beyond those in the Board’s report.
Because of the effort we began in the days after the attacks,
work is already well underway. And, as I pledged in my letter to
you last month, implementation has now begun on all 29
recommendations. Our task force started by translating the
recommendations into 64 specific action items. All of these
action items were assigned to specific bureaus and offices, with
clear timelines for completion. Fully 85 percent are on track to
be completed by the end of March, with a number completed
already.
We are taking a top-to-bottom look, and rethinking how we make
decisions on where, when, and how our people operate in high
threat areas, and how we respond to threats and crises.
As part of our effort to go above and beyond the Review
Board’s recommendations, we are initiating an annual High
Threat Post Review chaired by the Secretary of State, and ongoing
reviews by the Deputy Secretaries, to ensure pivotal questions
about security reach the highest levels. And we will regularize
protocols for sharing information with Congress.
All of these actions are designed to increase the safety of our
diplomats and development experts and reduce the chances of
another Benghazi happening again.
Now, in addition to the immediate action we took and the Review
Board process, we have been moving forward on a third front:
addressing the broader strategic challenge in North Africa and
the wider region.
Because Benghazi didn’t happen in a vacuum. The Arab
revolutions have scrambled power dynamics and shattered security
forces across the region. And instability in Mali has created an
expanding safe haven for terrorists who look to extend their
influence and plot further attacks of the kind we saw just last
week in Algeria.
And let me offer my deepest condolences to the families of the
Americans and all the people from many nations who were killed
and injured in the recent hostage crisis. We remain in close
touch with the Government of Algeria and stand ready to provide
assistance if needed. We are seeking to gain a fuller
understanding of what took place so that we can work together to
prevent terrorist attacks like this in the future.
Concerns about terrorism and instability in North Africa are not
new. Indeed they have been a top priority for our entire national
security team. But after Benghazi, we accelerated a diplomatic
campaign to increase pressure on al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb
and other terrorist groups across the region.
In the first hours and days, I conferred with the President of
Libya and the Foreign Ministers of Tunisia and Morocco. Two weeks
later, I met with regional leaders at the United Nations General
Assembly and held a special meeting focused on Mali and the
Sahel. In October, I flew to Algeria to discuss the fight against
AQIM. In November, I sent Deputy Secretary Bill Burns to follow
up in Algiers. And then in December, he co-chaired the Global
Counterterrorism Forum in Abu Dhabi and a meeting in Tunis of
leaders working to build new democracies and reform security
services.
In all these diplomatic engagements, and in near-constant
contacts at every level, we have focused on targeting al
Qaeda’s syndicate of terror – closing safe havens,
cutting off finances, countering extremist ideology, and slowing
the flow of new recruits. We continue to hunt the terrorists
responsible for the attacks in Benghazi and are determined to
bring them to justice. And we’re also using all our
diplomatic and economic tools to support the emerging democracies
of the region, including Libya, to strengthen security forces and
provide a path away from extremism.
The United States must continue to lead… in the Middle East
and all around the globe. We have come a long way in the past
four years. We cannot afford to retreat now. When America is
absent, especially from unstable environments, there are
consequences. Extremism takes root, our interests suffer, and our
security at home is threatened.
That’s why Chris Stevens went to Benghazi in the first
place. Nobody knew the dangers better than Chris, first during
the revolution and then during the transition. A weak Libyan
government, marauding militias, even terrorist groups… a
bomb exploded in the parking lot of his hotel, but he didn’t
waver. Because he understood that it was critical for America to
be represented in that pivotal place at that pivotal time.
Our men and women who serve overseas understand that we accept a
level of risk to protect this country we love. They represent the
best traditions of a bold and generous nation. And they cannot
work in bunkers and do their jobs.
It is our responsibility to make sure they have the resources
they need to do their jobs and to do everything we can to reduce
the risks they face.
For me, this is not just a matter of policy… it’s
personal.
I stood next to President Obama as the Marines carried those
flag-draped caskets off the plane at Andrews. I put my arms
around the mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, sons and
daughters.
It has been one of the greatest honors of my life to lead the men
and women of the State Department and USAID. Nearly 70,000
serving here in Washington and at more than 275 posts around the
world. They get up and go to work every day – often in
difficult and dangerous circumstances thousands of miles from
home – because they believe the United States is the most
extraordinary force for peace and progress the earth has ever
known.
And when we suffer tragedies overseas, the number of Americans
applying to the Foreign Service actually increases. That tells us
everything we need to know about what kind of patriots I’m
talking about. They ask what they can do for their country. And
America is stronger for it.
Today, after four years in this job, after traveling nearly 1
million miles and visiting 112 countries around the world, my
faith in our country and our future is stronger than ever. Every
time that blue and white airplane carrying the words “United
States of America” touches down in some far-off capital, I
feel again the honor it is to represent the world’s
indispensible nation. And I am confident that, with your help, we
will continue to keep the United States safe, strong, and
exceptional.
So I want to thank this committee for your partnership and your
support of our diplomats and development experts around the
world. You know the importance of the work they do day-in and
day-out, and that America’s values and vital national
security interests are at stake. It is absolutely critical that
we work together to ensure they have the resources and support
they need to face increasingly complex threats.
I know that you share our sense of responsibility and urgency.
And while we all may not agree on everything, let’s stay
focused on what really matters: protecting our people and the
country we all love.
Now I am now happy to answer your questions.
Rand Paul Hillary Clinton
Benghazi Transcript:
Failure of Leadership – Inexcusable
– I Would Have Relieved You of Duty
January 23, 2013
By Maggie (www.maggiesnotebook.com )
As Senator Rand Paul’s questioning of
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton begins, she indulgently smiles
at him. Those smiles quickly disappear. Senator Rand Paul makes
it clear he believes her claimed non-involvement was a failure of
leadership, and he says it several times. In the conversation
about the Accountability Review Board, note that later in the
video Hillary Clinton says the board found the level of
accountability was at the “level of Assistant Secretary and
below.” In other words, she was found not culpable, even
though she claims accountability for the Benghazi terrorist
attack on an unprotected consulate. Paul says it is inexcusable
that she did not read the cables from Ambassador Stevens asking
for increased security. Watch the video, read the transcript
below. You’ll find a couple of comments of mine inside
brackets [ ]. The most important part of the questioning from
Paul, in my opinion, is in green text below.
Hillary Clinton Testifies Before Rand Paul Begin loose transcript:
Rand Paul: One of the things about the original 9/11 is that no
one was fired. We spent trillions of dollars, but there were a
lot of human errors, judgement errors and the people who make
judgement errors need to be replaced, fired and no longer in a
position to make these judgement calls.
So we have a Review Board. The Review Board finds 64 different
things we can change. A lot of them are common sense and can be
done, but the question is, it’s a failure of leadership that
they weren’t done in advance and 4 American lives were lost
because of this. I’m glad that you are accepting
responsibility. I think that ultimately with you leaving, you
accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11, and I
really mean that. Had I been President at the time, and I found
that you did not read the cables from Benghazi, you did not read
the cables from Ambassador Stevens, I would have relieved you of
your post. I think it is inexcusable.
The thing is, that we can understand you are not reading every
cable. I can understand that maybe you are not aware of the cable
from the Ambassador in Vienna that asks for $100,000 for an
electrical charging station. I can understand that maybe you are
not aware that your Department spent $100,000 on 3 comedians who
went to India on a promotional tour called Make Chi, Not War, but
I think you might be able to understand that you should be aware
of the $80 million spent on a consulate in Mahshahr al-Sharif
[Readers, I'm not certain what this references and am researching
- will update if I find the info] that will never be built.
I think it’s inexcusable that you did not know about this
and that you did not read these cables. I think by anybody’s
estimation, Libya has to be one of the hottest of hot spots
around the world. Not to know of the requests for securities,
really I think cost these people their lives. Their lives could
have been saved had someone been more available, had someone been
aware of these things, more on top of the job, and the thing is,
I don’t suspect you of bad motives. The Review Board said,
well these people weren’t willfully negligent . I don’t
think you were willfully…I don’t suspect your motives
for wanting to serve your country, but it was a failure of
leadership not to be involved. It was a failure of leadership not
to know these things, and so I think it is good that you are
accepting responsibility, because no one else is. There is a
certain amount of culpability to the worst tragedy since 9/11,
and I’m glad you are accepting this.
Rand Paul: Now, my question is, is the United States involved
with an procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying,
selling, anyhow transferring weapons to Turkey out of Libya?
[Clinton is flummoxed]
Hillary Clinton: To Turkey? I will have to take that question for
the record. Nobody’s ever raised that with me.
Rand Paul: It’s been in news reports that ships have been
leaving from Libya and that they may have weapons, and what I
would like to know is, the annex that was close by – were
they involved with procuring, buying, selling weapons, and are
these weapons being transfered to other countries? Any countries,
Turkey included?
Hillary Clinton: Well Senator, you’ll have to direct that
question to the agency that ran the Annex. I will see what
information is available…
Rand Paul: You’re saying you don’t know?
Hillary Clinton: I do not know. I have no information on that.
With respect to personnel Senator, that’s why we have
independent people who review the situation. We did with the
Pickering and Mullin ARB [Accountability Review Board] and all
four individuals identified in the ARB have been removed from
their job. Secondly, they’ve been placed on administrative
leave while we step through the personnel process which will
determine the next steps. Third, both Ambassador Pickering and
Admiral Mullin specifically highlighted the reason why this is
complicated because under Federal Statute and Regulation,
unsatisfactory leadership is not grounds for finding a breach of
duty. The ARB did not find these four individuals breached their
duty, so I have submitted legislation to this Committee, to the
Congress to fix this problem so that future ARBs will not face
this situation. Rand Paul: Here’s the problem. The
review board has all these recommendations, but there is one
thing they’ve failed to address, and I think you’ve
failed to address, and it sets us up for another tragedy like
this. They should have never been sent in there without a
Military guard. There should have been an Embassy, like in
Baghdad, in a war zone, and it should have been under Military
guard, significant Military guard under Defense Department
Command. I don’t think this State Department is capable of
being in the war zone and protecting these people. I still
don’t think that…I think another tragedy could happen
in another war zone around the world. Someone needs to make an
executive decision. Someone needs to take leadership and with
that leadership should be that you shouldn’t send them in
with no Marines, you shouldn’t send them in with Marines to
guard records, not people, you shouldn’t send them in with
the same kind of Ambassador or Embassy staff that you have in
Paris. I think that is inexcusable.
Hillary Clinton: Well Senator, the reason I am here today is to
answer questions the best I can. I AM the Secretary of State, and
the ARB made it very clear that the level of responsibility for
the failures that they outlined, sat at the level of Assistant
Secretary and below. The Administration has sent officials to the
Hill more than 30 times. We have given as much
information…we’ve been as transparent as we can.
Obviously we will continue to brief you and others to answer any
questions you have about going forward. The reason we put into
affect an Accountability Review Board, is to take it out of the
heat of politics and partisanship and accusation and put it in
the hands of people who have no stake in the outcome. The reason
I said, make it open, tell the world, is because I believe in
transparency. I believe in taking responsibility, and I have done
so. I hope we will be able to see a good working relationship
between the State Department and the Committee going forward. End Loose Transcript
Transcript: Sen. Johnson
Questions Clinton on Benghazi Attack
WUWM News
Jan 24, 2013
Wednesday morning at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee
hearing, Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin questioned Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton about the attacks that took place on
September 11, 2012 at the U.S. embassy in Benghazi, Libya. Transcript:
Senator Johnson : Thank you Mr. Chairman and Madam Secretary,
I’d like to join my colleagues in thanking you for your
services sincerely, and also appreciate the fact that you’re
here testifying and glad that you’re looking in good health.
Were you fully aware in real time - and again I realize how big
your job is and everything is erupting in the Middle East at this
time - were you full aware of these 20 incidents that were
reported in the ARB in real time?
Secretary Clinton : I was aware of the ones that were brought to
my attention. They were part of our ongoing discussion about the
deteriorating threat environment in eastern Libya. We certainly
were very conscious of them. I was assured by our security
professionals that repairs were under way, additional security
upgrades had taken place.
Johnson : Thank you. Did you see personally the cable on I
believe it was August 12th, specifically asking for
reinforcements for the security detail that was going to be
evacuating or leaving in August? Did you see that personally?
Clinton : No sir.
Johnson : Okay, when you see the ARB, it strikes me how certain
the people were that the attacks started at 9:40 Benghazi time.
When was the first time you spoke to, or have you ever spoken to
the returnees, the evacuees? Did you personally speak to those
folks?
Clinton : I‘ve spoken to one of them, but I waited until
after the ARB had done its investigation because I did not want
there to be anybody raising any issue that I had spoken to anyone
before the ARB conducted its investigation.
Johnson : How many people were evacuated from Libya?
Clinton : Then numbers are a little bit hard to pin down because
of our other friends.
Johnson : Approximately?
Clinton : Approximately, 25-30.
Johnson : Did anybody in the State Department talk to those folks
very shortly afterwards?
Clinton : There was discussion going on afterwards, but once the
investigation started the FBI spoke to them before we spoke to
them, and so other than our people in Tripoli, which I think
you’re talking about Washington right?
Johnson : The point I’m making is a very simple phone call
to these individuals would’ve ascertained immediately that
there was no protest prior to this. This attack started at 9:40
p.m. Benghazi time and it was an assault. I appreciate the fact
that you called it an assault, but I’m going back to
Ambassador Rice five days later going to Sunday shows and what I
would say is purposefully misleading the American public. Why
wasn’t that known? And again I appreciate the fact that the
transparency of this hearing, but why weren’t we transparent
to that point in time?
Clinton : Well first of all Senator, I would say that the once
the assault happened, and once we got our people rescued and out,
our most immediate concern was number one taking care of their
injuries. As I said, I still have a DS agent at Walter Reid
seriously injured, getting them into Frankfurt, Ramstein to get
taken care of, the FBI going over immediately to start talking to
them. We did not think it was appropriate for us to talk to them
before the FBI conducted their interviews. And we did not, I
think this is accurate sir, I certainly did not know of any
reports that contradicted the IC talking points at the time that
Ambassador Rice went on the TV shows, and you know I just want to
say that people have accused Ambassador Rice and the
administration of you know misleading Americans. I can say trying
to be in the middle of this and understanding what was going on,
nothing could be further from the truth. Was information
developing? Was the situation fluid? Would we reach conclusions
later that weren’t reached initially? And I appreciate the
--
Johnson : But Madame Secretary, do you disagree with me that a
simple phone call to those evacuees to determine what happened
wouldn’t have ascertained immediately that there was no
protest? That was a piece of information that could’ve been
easily, easily obtained?
Clinton : But Senator again—
Johnson : Within hours, if not days?
Clinton : Senator, you know, when you’re in these positions,
the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process
going on, number one—
Johnson : I realize that a good excuse.
Clinton : Well no it’s the fact. Number two, I would
recommend highly you read both what the ARB said about it and the
classified ARB because even today, there are questions being
raised. Now, we have no doubt they were terrorist, they were
militants, they attacked us, they killed our people. But what was
going on and why they were doing what they were doing is still
unknown—
Johnson : No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly
protests and that something sprang out of that - an assault
sprang out of that - and that was easily ascertained that was not
the fact, and the American people could have known that within
days and they didn’t know that.
Clinton : With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead
Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys
out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go
kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?
It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we
can to prevent it from ever happening again Senator. Now
honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this,
but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to
the best information. The IC has a process I understand going
with the other committees to explain how these talking points
came out. But you know, to be clear it is from my perspective
less important today looking backwards as to why these militants
decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice,
and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on the
meantime.
Johnson : Okay, thank you Madame Secretary.
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